Tuesday, October 03, 2006

Odd News: Survivors

Ok, I lied, I'm back with one piece of odd news before I go to bed. I had heard about the plane crash this weekend, but the pure chance coincidence that a NY Times reporter was onboard baffles me.

Read it.

23 comments:

Jodi Meadows said...

Okay, *that* is scary. And wow, and...

Baffling, like you said. :)

BuffySquirrel said...

Sobering stuff.

December Quinn said...

More to add to my ever-expanding file of Reasons I'm Terrified of Flying.

BuffySquirrel said...

According to the Horizon documentary I was watching earlier tonight ("How to Survive A Plane Crash"), the only thing of which people are more afraid (or of which more people are afraid) than flying is...public speaking. Now that's not rational.

Is there a market for novels about plane crashes? How they happen and why has interested me for years but I wonder about the public appeal. Or lack thereof. Crichton's Airframe comes to mind, then there's Millennium, and a Nevil Shute the title of which escapes me, but I'm blanking on any major sellers.

kiwi said...

I read this article and have to say, it looks seriously sanitized and academic. If you have experienced a serious plane crash first hand then you know two things: it happens bloody fast, and the impact is such that survival is more luck than anything else. How you brace yourself is just nonsense. Particularly when seats are torn from the floor all around you, and objects of all description are flying through the air … then there is the fire … you get the picture. I agree with most of the negative commentary that followed this article.

Jenny Rappaport said...

I agree with the negative commentary, to a degree. Yes, an accident happened. Yes, many people are dead. Yes, this is a very sad thing. Yes, there is a good chance that the pilots of the smaller jet are to blame in some fashion, as well as presumably the Brazilian air traffic control.

What I don't like are the many Brazilian people who have commented on the article at the Times' site, and complained that the reason the smaller jet survived was because it had six American passengers on it and they were out to get the poor Brazilians. Get over it.

I'm sorry there was an accident. I'm sorry there are people dead.

But to assume that the plane crash was in any way politically motivated is to descened into idiocy. Pure idiocy, no matter how upset or grieved or horrible a thing happened.

Jenny Rappaport said...

And I have just managed to mis-spell the word "descend"...*sigh*. My apologies.

kiwi said...

Sorry, Jenny, my comments were with regards to Buffysquirrels article (Link above). On the Mid air collision over Brazil, I agree with you. Absolutely tragic, and my thoughts are with the families of those aboard the 737. And yes, those aboard the smaller aircraft were extremely lucky.

As for the American bashing--un-necessary, absolutely agree. It's a shame that many people cannot differentiate a political regime governing a country from the citizenry of that country. For god's sake, 49% of American's voted democrat at the last Presidential elections, and if popularity polls are any thing to go by, a good majority of Americans will be happy to see the back end of Mr George W. Bush.

Jenny Rappaport said...

Not a problem, Kiwi, I misunderstood.

And yes, many of us will be very, very happy to see Bush leave us in two years... at the moment, may I direct you to the excellent John Scalzi's take on the latest scandal that the Republicans are dealing with in regards to the upcoming midterm election.

kiwi said...

Indeed, Mark Foley's a naughty, naughty boy! I love it when the moral right shits in their own nest.

People, follow the John Scalzi link Jenny has been kind enough to place above. It's a great laugh. Also educational if you don't know what ephebophile means.

BuffySquirrel said...

Sometimes a crash happens with no warning. Sometimes, as at Sioux City, there is time for the passengers to prepare. Sometimes, as in the ET961 crash, they don't make the best use of that time. In the Manchester incident, one woman--if you can believe this--went back to her seat to get her handbag. She died, when she might instead have got out alive.

Yes, there is a massive amount of luck, chance, call-it-what-you-will involved, but there are things passengers can do to improve their chances. No guarantees, of course, not in this life. But if you take the approach that there's nothing you can do for yourself and there's no way you can survive, THAT will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Never give up" can apply to plane crashes as well as writing.

kiwi said...

point taken, buffysquirrel. I think the key factor here is the severity of crash. Hit the ground nose-first at 300 knots, it really isn't going to make what your pre-flight escape plan was. But yes, min any cases, where you sit, knowing where the closest exit is, etc, could mean the difference between life and death.

Anonymous said...

Can this kiwi guy spell?

I mean, what is this; 'But yes, nim any cases..' Don't you mean, in many cases?

And '... it really isn't going to make what your pre-flight escape plan was ...' I think 'make' was supposed to be 'matter.' Idiot!

kiwi said...

thank you, anonymous, for pointing out these errors. I am far too slack at times, and my editor would agree with you on the idiot part. Then again, I make him rich, so he doesn't complain too often.

Anonymous said...

you're still a pompous idiot, and I think Jenny's cool blog would be better if you went elsewhere.

James Dashner said...

Wow, we've got us an old fashioned barn burner on our hands.

Anonymous vs. Kiwi! Since both are actually anonymous, for all we know, this could be JK Rowling vs. Stephen King.

Hang in there, Kiwi. Although I've never been called a pompous idiot, I once knew one, and he really wasn't that bad of a guy. Pompous, yes, and certainly idiotic, but really rather likable.

kiwi said...

JK Rowling and Stephen King? Way cold! And as for Anonymous, or should I say Collin T!, all I have to say is smartass researchers who think its cool to bag their employer online can easily be replaced.

... is that a hurried exit I can hear? Yes, I believe Collin has left the barn, squealing like a little B****!

Apologies to all, I’ll make sure this doesn’t happen again.

Jenny Rappaport said...

I was always under the impression that Kiwi was a woman. And he/she is always welcome here on my blog; I enjoy and look forward to his/her comments.

So basically, go bug off anonymous; it's my blog, and lord knows, my spelling and typing skills are not superb either.

Anonymous said...

yeah, but you're a literary agent, not a bloody author. Our dear friend kiwi should know better.

And what is with the sign in? Kiwi? Then again, it is a little like his last five novels, namely, flightless and nocturnal. Or as one critic put it; unimaginative and better read at night, preferably when asleep.

Only joking. For the record, Kiwi, whoever he/she or other might be, is a great employer and a half descent author. There, I’ve apologized publicly, happy!

James Dashner said...

For the love of humanity, Kiwi, please tell us who you are.

kiwi said...

I'm a nobody! James, please ignore that 'for the record' nonsense--it is from a so call 'friend' and colleague who takes great delight in embarrassing me.

BuffySquirrel said...

Nose-first at 300 knots, the only plan that's going to matter is your will.

kiwi said...

hold up, Buffysquirrel. What happened to, and I quote; "Never give up” applies to plane crashes as well as writing. Survival is a matter of choice and preparation."