Saturday, January 24, 2009

The Official BSG Spoiler Thread, Final Episode #2

Back by popular demand, I give you this week's BSG Spoiler Thread.

I have not watched this yet, but feel free to leave your comments, as I'll go watch it now. Just an advance warning that I will be at a conference for the episode on March 6th, and I'll put up a spoiler thread for it, but I don't know how the comment moderation will go. I may turn it off, just for you guys, since I love the discussion we had last time. =) I just won't be able to watch it until March 8th.

If you want to discuss the second episode of the Final Episodes (as SciFi Channel is calling them) of Battlestar Galactica, please feel free to do so here.

This is a spoiler-filled thread.

You have been warned. Do not click on the comments, if you do not want to be spoiled. I will put my thoughts in the comments.

8 comments:

Kristin Laughtin said...

It just finished airing here. There weren't as many huge moments as last week's episode (which makes sense, as that was a premiere of sorts), but I'm interested in seeing how events continue to unfold with the mutiny and life in general now that Earth has proved to be a dud.

Also, Hot Dog being Nicky's father? That came out of nowhere. Especially since I had assumed Cally wasn't with anyone else in the period leading up to her marriage to Tyrol. It does make me wonder more about Cylon reproduction though!

P. Bradley Robb said...

Despite Ron Moore announcing that last night's episode would be a smaller, more character driven episode - the last slow episode before a manic resolution arc - it contained a great deal more plot advancement than the week prior.

We now know where the show is heading, and it's yet another role reversal. When the series first started, and on through the first several seasons, it was the Cylons who were the radicals. They were utterly convinced in their religious beliefs, and in the need for the end of man.

This radical ideology helped the humans, as it mad the Cylons easier to identify as an enemy, and thus easier to fight, easier to hate, and easier to kill. In a race for survival, when every thing including life is scarce, having anything easy is a good thing.

But, the situation has indeed changed. There are not simply a few Cylons in the fleet, but presumably thousands. Tyrol's misuse of pronouns in last night's episode certainly showed how hard it is to determine who's who. The Cylons who are helping the humans are a much more moderate breed, showing compassion at several instances during the episode last night.

Of course, hate is a hard thing to let go of, and it eats away at those who try to harness it for too long. Gaita, once a cheery, respectful young man, has become the tool for change, the default antagonist, as he moves through Battlestar, ferreting out those who possess not only the desire, but also the ability, for insurrection.

He held closed door meetings. He frequently “dropped rank” when speaking with the Admiral – which, as a combat vet myself, I can assure you is a severe faux pas that shows not only a loss of respect, but the increased lack of fear for showing that. And Gaita has completed his fall from grace, his shift towards the dark side, through his meeting and alignment with Tom Zarek. Together, they plot to overthrow the Rosyln/Adama leadership, ejecting or killing the Cylons.

At the sight of this plan, which was foreshadowed early on in the episode, those of us on my couch were instantly angry. We knew which side we fell on. However, it's not that simple of a decision, one which is forcing the characters (and the viewer) to side against people and characters which they've grown accustomed to over many years, and against those who, moderate or not, were responsible for the near-death of the entire human race – not only on the 12 Colonies, but on the 13th as well.

The real theme of the final episodes isn't mutiny, it's forgiveness. Of course, as both sides issued at separate points, there will be a reckoning.

Several other telling signs crept on screen last night. Zarek, the pillar of blind ideology amongst the humans, folded under accusations that he was corrupt, despite the evidence being found totally lacking. This was as much an admission of guilt as anything.

Tyrol, who always played the career sergeant card, even when his rank was stripped from him, found himself forced into a situation which likely should have been played ages ago. He lost his son, who turned out not to be his son. The cynic in me says that this was done just to give Hotdog more screen time. This plot twist is pure soap opera and reeks of offscreen politics, as the actor who plays Hotdog is the real life son Edward James Olmos.

There's another baby on the way, and this time it's being carried by a very skinny Number 6. It's the future of the Cylon race, the first all-cylon pairing, and a major threat to the mutineers, if only as a symbol. If Hera was bad, this baby spells doom. Self-reproducing cylons don't need people. Or so the logic looks like it will play out.

And then there's Rosyln, whom has finally reached the final stage of her Kubler-Ross progression. She's accepted her death, after being failed by her prophecies. All that work only to have earned the right to say “Earth? What a dump.”

The final moments, however, still remain shrouded. Will the humans accept the moderate Cylons and forgive them for their hasty actions – an act that likely would have prevented the entire war in the first place. Is there a habitable plant out there, perhaps an Earth occupied by the human remnants of the 13th colony? Will those who have always known war and hatred and fear ever know peace and safety and humanity?

Is it Friday yet?

Amie Stuart said...

So wow...what do you think of them explaining away one of the Hybrid children?

And I'm wondering if Tigh and Six's child is Ellen reborn? Gross/weird/kinda icky but it does make sense (at least in my mind).

Jarucia said...

Gah! Can't stand that they 'conveniently' made chief's son not his son. I guess that clears up one loose end.

And this thing with Felix? Irritating and bizarre.

And good lord, why is Gaius turning into a drug-using prophet. It's pretty sad that he lost 'Six' to Saul.

Is anyone else still having issues with how easy it was for the final four of the final five to embrace their Cylon self?

The most exciting part about the episode were the scenes from next week's episode. What's going on with the plot right now? I know they have to clear the air on a bunch of stuff, but so much of it is messing with my suspension of disbelief.

Seriously, there are less than 40k people left, all floating around in spaceships, how is it logistically sensible to encourage any of them to break off and try to make it on their own? I'm not liking the rebellion angle at all.

I'm just being sore because I really, really like this show, am sad to see it ending and am not happy with the weird turn everything is taking.

josephrobertlewis said...

Disappointed! While I'm sure the mutinous mindset is reasonable and realistic, I don't care! We now have 8 episodes left. I just want answers, I want closure, I want all the loose ends nicely tied up. I don't need new family drama, or social unrest. Just please sort out the time line and explain what Kara is. I don't even care if they find a new home at this point! And I love this show! Exclamation points galore!!!

Rebekah Mills McDaniel said...

I do kind of find myself missing the early seasons. It's still a great show, but when you think about the Gaius/Six relationship, Starbuck's sense of humor (may it rest in peace), President Roslin when she had both a conscience AND a backbone (she lost the one first, then the other)... the show just isn't that much fun to watch anymore. Sure, it's still great quality, it's still creative and interesting and well-done... I just miss the little jokes, the occasional touches of playfulness, that made it all seem more human. The small human touches amid all the madness.

I know that the situation has gotten so dire that no one is having any fun anymore, and I appreciate that... but it does make it difficult to sit through, for a viewer, particularly when you don't have even the faintest hint of hope that everything's going to turn out okay. I've never been one who enjoyed watching a rat run around in a snake cage, and that's kind of what the show has started to feel like.

Jenny Rappaport said...

Ok, so I finally got a chance to watch the episode, due to not having had it on the DVR. There was a scheduling error... don't ask. =)

Anyway, so after downloading from iTunes and finding time to finally watch it (after having to reinstall iTunes because it kept barfing on the video for some reason)... I have watched it!

I was disappointed, honestly. I want Lee Adama to stand up to Zarek and kick him out. I have never, ever liked Zarek. He earned a brief redemption in my eyes, when he helped Roslin escape the death convey on Caprica--but seriously, now? Ugh.

Gaeta I liked too, but he seems to have gone off the deep end, except in the opposite direction from Roslin. Roslin has just given up still, but in a very, very weird way. She knows she's going to die. And hell, if she wants to sleep with Adama and go running, let her. But if she's going to do that, somebody else needs to be in charge of running things.

It also strikes me that any attempt at mutiny the humans make, led by Gaeta and Zarek (and don't you just love how Gaeta has totally, always switched alliances throughout the series), is going to be pretty pitiful. Mind you, I haven't seen the third episode yet, but there are murmurings on the internet...

And now, off to do stuff and get episode 3 watched, which is safely on the DVR. And then throw up the thread for that.

Amie Stuart said...

Is anyone else still having issues with how easy it was for the final four of the final five to embrace their Cylon self?

I think we got a lot of that last season...so for me, it feels like it was well covered--except for Starbucks hubby! Ok off to watch Ep 4!!!